Burlesque and Feminism: Give it a rest!

Sometimes I get so sick of being a feminist. Not because I don’t want equality for all genders and so forth, but because being a feminist sometimes seems to be more about arguing about what feminism is,  and who is doing it “right”, than anything else.

Children arguing

Yesterday a video surfaced of a comedian doing a bit about burlesque, in which she appears to be derogatory about burlesque.

It gets shared about, and the burlesque world aint happy with it. Facebook and twitter heard our wrath, I tell ya! More about that in a bit, but first,  why was the video so controversial?

The comedian Nadia Kamil describes seeing a burlesque act on a night out and how she and her mates found it “gross” and out of place at a comedy event . She then goes on to do her own version of a feminist burlesque act, stripping to reveal statements such as “Equal Pay!” “Pubes are Normal!” etc, sellotaped to her body.  I don’t want to write any more about what may or may not have been intended by the act (if Nadia Kamil wants to do that herself I am sure she will)  or reactions to it, as lots has already been said on social media and in this blog by cabaret singer Lili La Scala. The whole thing is problematic, and of course I have my own ideas about it, but I will leave you all to make your own minds up.


What I want to talk about is the sense of deja-vu I got watching the video and reading the responses to it.  We have heard it all before.

been there

I love and respect the way the burlesque world fights its corner and stands up for the art form in the face of what often seems to be overwhelming prejudice and opposition. I got annoyed at first about this video just like other folks did.  But some of what annoyed me was not what the comedian was saying about burlesque, but that (so it seemed) here was YET ANOTHER person holding forth about burlesque in a misinformed way.  Saying the same old tired things as if they were new and incontrovertible truths, from a position of privilege (white, educated etc).


The thing I couldn’t help but wonder was this: how many more times are we going to have this same argument?  You know the one I mean, it goes like this:

Burlesque Detractor: “Burlesque is *just stripping,  middle-class stripping, boring, sexist, demeaning, objectifying to women, male gaze yadayada”

Burlesque World: “Burlesque is *an art form, not just stripping, stripping is not bad, its not objectifying, if you don’t like it don’t come to watch, its performed mainly for women, its performed mainly by women, its performed by men too, you clearly don’t know much about burlesque etc etc”.

Burlesque Detractor: “You are wrong and don’t realise it”

Burlesque World: “No, you are wrong and don’t realise it”.

Every. Single. Time. Same argument.  How many times have I seen this over 7 years? Lots. But its not just the burlesque revival that has had this argument ad nauseum, its been going on for-frickin-ever!

“Degrading!” “Demoralising to women!” (Feminist and Theatre Critic, Olive Logan on burlesque, 1870)

olive logan

“Obscene” (Women’s Cooperative Alliance, 1925)

Careful now

“A corrupting moral influence.” (Mayor LaGuardia on burlesque clubs in NYC, 1935)


That’s right, we have been having this argument since the 1800s. Isn’t it about time we changed the tune? Don’t get me wrong, I am all for spirited discussion and standing up for your beliefs. I’m not saying we shouldn’t have the discussions, there is value in discussion, but it has to be ultimately productive. It has to move on, but so often it just goes round in circles. We can’t keep doing this same back-and-forth forever and getting nowhere.

Im right youre wrong

So what is the answer? Is burlesque feminist or not?

Burlesque can be feminist and not feminist at the same time.  It is not inherently feminist. It is also not inherently anti-feminist.  Some people find it feminist, some don’t.  Burlesque can both support and damage the feminist cause because the variable is the audience. Performance art can’t happen without someone experiencing it, and within those hundreds of people experiencing an act, there will be some which feel strengthened and empowered by it and some who take it as objectifying and demeaning. How they interpret the art will depend on their existing identity and mind-set.  Burlesque is as feminist as the observer believes it to be, and that’s it. That is why two people can watch the same act but one finds it empowering and the other finds it demeaning.

Same with feminism. Its diverse with lots of different schools of thought within it, some of which are almost diametrically opposed. How you interpret burlesque as a feminist will depend on what kind of feminist school of thought you buy into. That is why one person can find an act feminist and the other absolutely doesn’t.

There is no one truth to prove. THERE IS NO RIGHT ANSWER TO THIS DEBATE!


When you have been having the same argument for over 200 years (after realising that you are most likely never, ever going to agree) your options are as follows:

– Agree to disagree and get on with your separate projects

– Continue to tear each other apart

– Go around the issue and try to find a way to move forward

Could we try and think of a way out of the endless circle of bickering? Could we come to understand the opposing point of view, even if we don’t agree? Explain our side to them so they understand us better?  And maybe, possibly…could we find a way to work together instead of against each other?


Because really, we should be on the same team, right? The end goal is the same.

There is not one single way to be feminist, because there is not one single way to be a woman, or a human being. One size does not fit all, and never will. If we want to move forward with feminism/equality we need to acknowledge that we are never all going to see it the same way.  Your way is just the one that works best for you. Trying to force people to do it your way will never work. Feminism will not work that way.  And I want it to work, don’t you? That’s my end goal.

Plus, I sure as hell don’t want to be having this same argument every 6 months for the next 200 years,  and be no further forward than we are now.

there yet


5 responses to “Burlesque and Feminism: Give it a rest!

  1. Great read 🙂 it seems to me that the old 80s feminist disagreements about whether women’s sexuality is confining or liberating is at the heart of these sorts of debates. Is it degrading? Is it subversive? There won’t be agreement while there are still people undecided on whether the woman’s body should even be on display in the first place

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  3. I especially enjoy your choice of photos! Indeed this is an age old conversation that we might not even have if it weren’t for the incredible burlesque artists that continue to push the envelope and the performers that want so badly to have a voice in the world. Perhaps one day we will have a stronger voice if we can figure out how to do what women do best; working together to make it happen!

  4. Things will never change and women will never gain gender equality. We are keeping ourselves subordinate. We can’t behave in the same way and expect a different result. If women didn’t continue to participate in patriarchal, misogynist behaviors (no matter how much glitter you sprinkle on them or how many chrystals you glue to them) we may actually make progress. But those of us who don’t live to have others applaud our nudity will continue to suffer so others can be free to strip. Nope… We aren’t getting anywhere.

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